My response to being wrongly blacklisted. I ask if you’ve ever gotten anything out of a post from me or you felt I supported you please comment below.
Edit - Correction. This is not a black list issue mistake at all. It’s been confirmed the individual mass downvoting my account has no connection to any witness blacklist. They are acting solo and just happen to have million plus hive power and want to continue to harass me.I’ve made multiple attempts to just ask what the issue is and have no reply from them. You can look as they just canceled there downvote just to increase it snd zero out another post. I’d appreciate if a couple witnesses take a look at this. This is bullying and a level of harassment that is beyond childish and frankly hope good people here will stand against this behavior.
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I woke up to every single one of my posts downvoted by multiple accounts with hive power over a million to baxk it up. I asked the accounts and the one who responded make fun of me and laughed when I honestly asked what was this about. I’m angry and feel really wronged. I apparently am accused of voting on posts six days old or something. And told I often voted a few accounts who voted me a lot. I see at least two accounts I supported often had all there posts downvoted to zero because I voted on them. I’m so confused guys. I’ve been generous and supportive here of multiple communities. Frankly I’m hurt. This is wrong! If you’ve had any positive experience with interacting with me or if I often supported you please let me know in comments.
I am just hurt/ I don’t get this attack but with enough power to use hardly any vote Weight to bring me to zero on everything I obviously can’t compete if they continue this. My original posts all voted to zero and I’m told it’s never gonna stop. Wow mt rep is down 5 for rv 6 points in just hours. I did nothing wrong. This is fucked
I don't know anything about a blacklist but I can tell you someone made the decision to moderate rewards on the 6 day content and is suggested that your account along with others may have been compromised and now knowingly or not participating in an abusive voting ring consisting of a multitude of others. You may need to change your account keys if I am understanding.
Once that is done, we should have no problems moving forward but I do back the previous call that was made towards suspicious voting trends. Also, I thought the meme would help take the edge off so sorry if you took offense. ✌️
Good afternoon @steemflagrewards
So I dunno why they dragged me into this but they did. Should I take the advice above also? These accounts did same on my stuff. I’m only here a month or two and quite honestly this is weird. Anyway I’m at a weed conference so can’t stay mad. ✌️
But just for the record Gene has been supportive and most welcoming account here. I know he’s a huge NoAgenda fan so it makes sense but he’s gone outta his way to help welcome me. Just for the record….
Yes, indeed. It seems nefarious actor may have access to your account so that is the first action I would take. Don't do it while you are blazed as you may forget to save the new key. Glad to be of service. Hopefully, we can work together to get the bad actors under control. 👍
So I generally avoid flag wars, however what the hell is this! @geneeverett is a long standing member of my tribe #silvergoldstackers and has been and is a great supporter of Hive since back in the Steem days. I don't know you you or your project, given what little I have earned in four years on the blockchain why should I?
But the tactic of simply banging an account sucks. BTW I was banished from Steemit simply for memes against Justin Sun. I did it to prove a point. While your intentions may be good, shooting first and asking later is reckless.
There that is my Two Cents.
I’m so livid it’s best I don’t keep talking. But I still have no reply. Just nothing but downvote insanity. I don’t think I’m sticking around here after this
Personally, I may not agree with the method but I do agree with the intent. If theré is a malicious botnet that is using user key, the users ought to take action for the good of the ecosystem. I don't think that is asking too much.
Are you so sure of the intent? The stated intent seems to be a facade that quickly falls away in response to criticism, revealing nothing more than an out of control ego bent on intimidation.
If this is the company you wish to keep and to defend, that is your choice. I have kicked around here long enough to know where this crap ends.
I think you've been marked for upvoting your own comments on day 6 and this behavior is frowned upon by the community that disagrees with the habit. It's not directly an attack to you as person but more on the habits that discourage milking the reward pool behavior. If you admit to the fault, willing to change your voting behaviors for the better, I think there is still a way to remedy the lost rep.
You were just fine earning from your account and upvoting stuff until the recent development of voting on Day 6 especially on a circle of accounts, going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't intend it but these are the same behaviors that people that exploit the reward system do thus why it is frowned upon. The blockchain still holds the records if you indeed voted on day 6 on those account so if one can trace the time stamps.
I do apologize if my downvote did hurt your feelings. But that was just disagreeing with the rewards on the post and nothing on the personal level. I do hope you reconsider your stance on the matter and take a step back and contemplate what happened. I don't speak for the people that you think have done you wrong. But I think showing some tact not to aggravate the situation and negotiate it better may be helpful.
You said my music sucked and that’s why you downvoted me. I dunno WTF to believe.
I lied about that part. I felt indifferent about your music and it was mostly just adding to the campaigning to reduce the rewards you're getting. The other accounts that downvoted just follow this account automatically. I'll remove those downvotes once there has been some peaceful resolution to the drama.
Btw I just looked. One freaken comment of mine was upvoted outta last couple hundo. It just of been by mistake. If I was the kind of person who would upvote a single word , don’t u think I’d do it more then once and on all the legit long comments?
I think it was more on the timing of your voting like on Day 6 and having too few on your circle you support that made it suspicious to begin with. While you may have no intention to game the system, the consequences are the same as those who do exploit the system. By changing the voting behavior to upvoting comments within idk, maybe within a day or two after they made would probably be more ok and also not your own or the same set of people, that would be even better. It's still up to you to take the advice or not and there's no guarantee the downvotes will stop. I'm just saying these are the stuff you did that caught some attention.
Shooting first and asking questions later is rather reckless, don't you think?
By the way, if you do not like voting on the sixth day then make a proposal to change the voting period. I think if the entire Community agrees with your idea concerning "appropriate" voting behavior it can written into the code. If not I can only ask who are you and this group that is imposing their will on everyone else.
Of course if I only voted on the sixth day, who the heck would care?????
Ohhhh my penny has destroyed the reward pools???
You remind me of Justin Sun! Who banished me from Steemit for silly memes. What next? I don't give a shit. Are you going to blacklist me to oblivion for thinking what you are doing is flat out WRONG.
If you have a problem, talk to an account first. Secondly, if you do not like the way voting is done, make a proposal to the entire Community. Go ahead see how well that is received.
I got nothing else for you.
I'll shoot first or talk first as much as I want, that's my initiative. I already read about the backstory before I gave my downvotes but thanks for assuming I didn't and shooting right away, that makes your extra seconds on typing worthwhile.
On your own comments? You can try and see who does then.
My hp is that intimidating enough? Must be a nightmare if I started typing in mandarin.
I'm fine with the voting system as is. The ability to do it or not and when you want to do it or not. He made his move I make mine.
Give me something else.
Type Mandarin all you want, make your moves, it will not change the fact that the Middle Kingdom has lost the Mandate of Heaven and only a fool can not see that.
Fair thee well.
As to your HP, this is a hobby for me, perhaps it is all you have?????
Caput Lupinum to ye!
If you hear the rain RUN!
Only understood the fair thee well part and lazy to Google the reference of the first lines. It's all hobby for me too, how else do you think I can enjoy speaking up what's on my mind?
Doge to ye too.
Holy $hit! What happened to the free world on Hive!? At this rate these draconian human opinionated ideals will endUP only driving people OFF the blockchain and back to the dysfunctional Social2.0's they were attempting to escape! Doesn't this mean that we are more dysfunctional ourselves? How many new people are going to putUP with (not to mention understand!) practices and thinking like this? No. This needs to STOP! And the sooner the better. Hive's marketability is at stake.
Aren't you already getting the benefits of the free world of Hive? You can upvote or downvote, agree or disagree, and free to say what you want and now I'm giving my own take on the matter. Let people have the freedom to do whatever they want on chain, vote or downvote however they please and make their say on it. I didn't mandate anyone to stop doing what they wanted to do if they prefer to upvote themselves or people on Day 6, I said that is one of the reasons they were getting downvote and the behavior is just tied to those gaming the system.
You want the freedom where people can express disagreement, then this is the freedom you're getting or were you envisioning a decentralized freedom where everyone just became everyone's yes man to protect muh rewards, muh freedom muh murica crap. Maybe you also want to take away my free speech for disagreeing too while you're at it? Make your own statement to disagree and take it up to the people you openly disagree, aka. the ones downvoting you're trying to stand up for.
Never said any of that. That’s what came out of your own mouth.
Stick to what the code allows... then people won’t be upset when you share your opinion because it’s in alignment with the code... not outside it’s parameters.
I’m not, in any way shape or form, suggesting that someone takes another’s voice away... I’m only saying that if your going to tell them what they can or can’t do with their own account... that’s, always going to come across as unfriendly. That’s what you did did you not? And not only that... you communicated that intent with downvotes AND words.
Freedom is great... until it is used to try and take away someone else’s freedom.
Being a Hive owner means that we all have a voice here... and we didn’t become owners to own a half functioning account now did we? And we certainly didn’t become owners so that someone else could tell us what we can and can’t do (outside of the agreed upon code) now did we?
That’s what we are really talking about here...
I’m just going to keep the topic on point.
Spare me sermon, you downvoted me first before telling me your point of view and how unfriendly I'm doing while taking high ground morally policing my conduct. I'm saying there are consequences and those are the consequences he received for doing just that, I suggested he not do that and not escalate it further but was I granted a discussion prior to the downvotes I received from your alts? nah, you're too good for that.
Just saying don't pretend your shit don't smell and be whole prim and proper. I'm not really pissed about the downvotes I received, it's part of the whole downvoting someone means you're asking for flak in return and that's natural. What I don't subscribe to is being lectured that I got downvoted because I'm unfriendly and be told what to do because I told someone else what to do, just who do you think you are trying to be that imposing some virtues on me preaching how downvotes shouldn't be thrown like that and people should discuss things yadayada. You never gave me that audience when you pressed the button bruh, don't, you just made the call to tag my comments unfriendly to your taste and then we had this long post discussion afterwards. Spare me the hypocrisy.
Didn't take their freedom, not capable nor interested in it. I just told them the situation from my perspective and it's up to them to make their move. Even encouraged them to try and reach the people and not further antagonize to make things worse. I was expecting they'd double down or just go find the best way for conflict resolution.
You are setting up a new friendly policy? how should the organization be labelled? Friendlywatchers? mean comments are to be downvoted and anyone who disagrees is unfriendly. Sorry I don't downvote your replies on me even If I disagree with what you're saying and to me, you're really being unfriendly right now. Your turn moral police.
You can receive it our not. It’s up to you. I my doesn’t matter to me.
You gave some pretty less than great reasons for downvoting this post... it shouldn’t surprise you then to receive the same in kind.
It doesn’t matter to me if you want to hear me out or not. No problem either way... I just wanted to give you a definitive reason why I decided to counter your downvotes and also give you some of your own medicine.
It’s not right that you would be rewarded for being unfriendly... and that’s how the cookie crumbles.
Social Capital swings both ways... and seeing what I saw today in your comments and realizing that this post had been downvotes for some very shitty reasons... I decided to step into the gap and actually do something about it.
I don’t think that this can be held against me... and I think that the owner of this post appreciates my efforts.
Well... that’s it for me.
I can no longer afford to give you my time and attention.
So long and good luck here on Hive.
I'm the only one who gets the downvote carpet bomb because I'm a pleb and unfriendly, well some did but they're also plebs. I think you read my question about the roll of the dice and how others are more equal to receive those downvotes. You can read between the lines and I know you know what I mean. So when @amirl only commented "valid points" they were being unfriendly when their prior statement was questioning and disagreeing with my take on the matter? @amirl did nothing wrong but expressed his opinion and you downvoted them because you deemed them unfriendly. You didn't event discuss with them why you downvoted them too, stop with the high ground.
If I spent all my time doing that... I would be up all night... oh! Wait a second! I have stayed up all night. Discussing this with you. That’s more respect than I have given anyone in a very long time. How many people do you know who would spend time having a difficult conversation with someone... all night long.
It’s now 5:44am where I’m located. I’ve done my best to get through to you as to why this is so important...
The rest is up to you to consider. None of this effects my long game... but I do believe it effects yours... and everyone on Hive ultimately.
All the best. TTYL?
Aye, it's around quarter to 8 in the evening here and the night is just starting, you get some rest first and come back a fresh to continue the dance. You haven't changed my stance on the matter, probably something along the lines of the initial impression of shooting first ask questions later then get preached about due process before shooting first. Our common ground is only trying to make Hive a better ecosystem and nothing else at the moment. Now this isn't really worth your time or my time but you're still welcome to ping me and I'll answer at the soonest possible. Prioritize your rest first. No need to force an argument while sleepy.
Thank you for being human. This says a lot about you actually. I do hope that we can reach an understanding at the very least. We may not agree but certainly we can find common ground... and that sacred space is on Hive, the place we all hang our hat and hold hopes for the future. Thank you for this response as it shows me the good in the time spent connecting here in the comments.
Anyway I see all my posts are still zero so somebody has me heavily downvoted. Who should I contact? Will it stop? Or am I am a list now? Anyway I’m livid because this really seems like somebody else did it for personal reasons. I’m one of the biggest supporters of total strangers on here. It just didn’t and doesn’t make sense. Anyway can u and me be friends? That’s positive on a shitty day like today.
Those are something I'm in no control. The ones you need to contact are the ones downvoting you and I can't say on their behalf if they want to pursue downvoting or you are their blacklist. @cwow2 has mentioned a discord link you can join to reach them. It's a hassle I know, but you can try as there ain't anything to lose. Probably better to join once you've cooled off a bit.
I can somehow empathize having a rough day and this scenario happening must be overwhelming. I don't mind being friends as long as you're willing to make amends and remove the downvotes thrown to some of the peeps that downvoted you, (don't remove the downvotes you put on me, those aren't something I can be bothered with).
I know its counterintuitive and you want those that wronged you have sanctions somehow but the faster way to reach some conflict resolution is just letting some stuff go. Whether you get any downvotes further or negative vibes from them isn't something I can control but I do encourage you to still try and be diplomatic and not aggravate the situation further. Again, no guarantee that it may or may not work, just saying stuff that would help it not make things worse.
LoL. This comment just sounds like do as I say or I wreck your experience until you do. Then I will be your master. Call them a friend as long as they do everything you think is right. My my how the whales have changed this space.
I'm a whale?
I wasnt being specific. I was just generalizing. I dont have the time or gumption to investigate every wallet.
I agree voting on day 6 is abusing the pool. But people tend to try and take advantage, thats normal and downvoting with no warning will scary away many good investors. Without the mass the system wont thrive.
I think its more scalable to deduct the intreset from the voting rewards by days with additional penalty. Some behaviors can also trigger a waring automatically - don't vote your own comments etc. If the bot finds a bad pattern.
But turning on the downvote punshiment in my opinion should be still manual. We are in a fragile phase and we want adoption and communication.
I thought people were allergic to bots spamming warnings. There's already a penalty in place for those voting late on curation but these hardly ever discourage anyone especially with larger stake to game the system. The issue was him doing it whether he may be intentionally doing so or just happen to like supporting the same crowd on day 6 old comments.
They can do that on fresh 1 or 2 day old comments than be suspiciously doing it on day 6 for what? Now it's not really right to assume intentions here, he might have meant well or he did try to game the system, who knows, what is sure is the voting behavior was done and these are the consequences.
Anyone is still welcome to counter those downvotes or reinforce the downvotes of course. I don't see him ever having a problem further unless he consistently does it even after all this. Aggravating the people that also downvote is also a bad idea. I mean, how hard is it just to not vote on day 6 and go for fresh comments instead?
I have done nobody wrong but if you aren’t involved and wanna move on on good tens that’s cool. But there was no need to be cruel
My experience with you is that you are very supportive and often comment and upvote on my comments on other posts and also comment on my posts. That is too rare.
You are a GREAT Hivelander and none of your posts I have ever seen are valued over a few dollars; and so I don't know how you could be milking the system, especially since half of that returns to curators. And anyone who has invested coin and time deserves to benefit from the system in a reasonable way.
It would be a great lost to HIVE if you liquidated your account and went elsewhere. You don't just post and run but actually engage. Hopefully those involved in the downvoting will reconsider their take on this. We CAN'T afford to lose people like you and you should not be punished for upvoting the content of those you enjoy. It's your influence and I have witnessed you strengthen HIVE and not weaken it with it.
So, how is dustsweeper any different from what we have here?
Posted Using LeoFinance Beta
It prevents the rewards on some of your comments to get below the minimum threshold for payout. So if someone upvoted a comment on the first few days and the value of the vote went below the payout threshold, dustsweeper swoops in and upvotes just enough to get it to payout than have 0 returns entirely.
Well maybe we can get @themarkymark to come on and say what is wrong so we can all be adults and get it fixed perhaps. I wish people could just discuss things before it goes all nuclear all the time.
That’s all I want
But I hope you can understand why I’m so upset. I’m the one trying to just figure this out. The guy wont talk to me
I get it. I hope it is all going to be better. Guess it is best to have everyone opinions out in the open.
Hope you feel better today.
Downvoted because you’re whining.
Downvoted because you downvoted. Look... It's far more important to build trust and a friendly Hive. This sort of reason for downvoting is not friendly and harms all of our prospects here. That's, ultimately, what I save my downvotes for... Unfriendliness.
Do you happen to use your downvotes for posts that were plagiarized, spam and commit phising attacks too? Curious if unfriendliness was your only criteria for proper use of downvotes.
Absolutely it is. I vote my values... and here on Hive... Unfriendliness is something that will harm our reputation as it does nothing to improve the marketability of the Hive Blockchain either. Adding insult to injury... An unfriendly social environment burns out new people. Retention can't happen when even our long time owners are put off.
I won't stand by idle while I see people behaving in unfriendly way's towards others.
In the end... this is a social experience.
And friendliness get's you much farther than being cruel.
I'm all for trying to make the place less hostile than it can be but you're assuming conflict won't be part of the norm in a decentralized ecosystem where globalization meets cross cultural baggage? Tell me what you think about this post
I can respect other people's religious views and get downvoted when I write stuff that ain't aligned with their belief system, even toss a few exchanges while interacting with them, they can be unfriendly or I can be unfriendly but that's all fine and expected in a decentralized ecosystem where people are free to have their own say with whatever they want on the chain, doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of doing the hell they want.
You get what I'm saying? you can enforce your make people more friendly because that's how you envision how this decentralized ecosystem should behave and to some extent I can subscribe to wanting some peace and get along with diversity this place can offer but never think that when you're trying to impose your friendliness policy is an exemption to policing. There are some practices I don't subscribe and will continue to fight against and I don't need to be friendly or be respectful on belief systems that I find horrendous to tolerate and should I be policed to be friendly if I can't stomach some crap?
Tell me, when you want to give me downvotes, what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? are you giving me downvotes because you disagree or are you giving me downvotes because you want to enforce your view point on the matter on how things should work like you envisioned it to be on me?
Your making excuses... and from what I have seen... Your construct is quite off. Decentralization doesn't mean that we default to unfriendly. We need to be better than the social2.0's... Or we are going to quickly be marginalized within the crypto space.
This is about values, common respect, and decency.
Because there is actual monitory value to our social interaction it is important to realize... This super charges the social environment.
The worst thing we can do is operate in a way that's less than civil because it ultimately damages the Social Capital we are surrounding ourselves with.
I hope that you are receptive to what it is that I am saying.
You can consider my downvotes something in kind. Mostly I couldn't stomach the idea of someone being rewarded for being unkind and unfriendly... and attempting to impose themselves upon someone else for the only reason that they did something with their fully functional account that the code allowed. Who's account is it anyways right?
So that's the reason for the downvotes.
I save them for the unfriendly things I see happening more and more on this blockchain.
If this continues... We won't have anything to fight about. It will all be gone... It's only a matter of time.
As an owner...
I'm going to do everything I can to bring a new culture to Hive.
A friendly one.
What if my way of being friendly is downvoting?
It's not my friend.
Think about this...
We live in a world where it's increasingly getting harder for people. Not just financially but peoples stress levels and health are directly being effected.
Having a healthy social environment goes a long way's to making what's wrong with the world right.
And it's within our power to do that... while at the same time innovating new and better way's to human and communicate value.
None of this happens with a downvote.
So we have to take a mature look at the way we use it.
With this sort of thing... and because Hive also has a financial aspect to it every comment/post counts... You could even say it counts more because it's super charged. It's not only the content or communication people care about... It also have real world value (even if the price of Hive is dwindling at the moment.
Think of it like this...
The Hive Token is a means for storing the Social Capital we put into it collectively as a community.
So unfriendly behavior only hurts the price of Hive... and it might be a lot more direct than many realize!
I want to win.
I want you to win.
And we can't do this by downvoting for the sake of downvoting.
That's like trying to drive a vehicle with one foot on the gas and the other on the break...
And we all know how that's going to turn out!
And burnouts are bad for all involved.
Another consideration...think about the people from struggling country's. Those people feel ever bump in the road you had better believe it!
K. I hope you understand where I'm coming from with this.
All the best!
What do you think of Blurt? no downvotes there. If you're so intolerant about the downvotes, wouldn't it be more practical to build your vision off that chain? it's a fork of the old blockchain anyway.
I'm here and have been here quite some time. I'm an Hive owner for my own reasons. I have no reason to move or build else where.
Are you suggesting that I leave Hive? Because that's not going to happen.
I have earned my stripes here in more ways than one...
I'm building here on Hive... and so are many other people.
This is another reason why, as owners, we must continue to stand for what is best for the health and wellness of this blockchain.
I'm only getting warmedUP... and I'm a Hive maximalist for a definite reason.
I'm not intolerant to downvotes... so long as they are used for reasons that move us all forward and secure the integrity of the blockchain with well laid out reasons in place that make sense.
None of the reasons you decided to downvote here fall within reason and are outside the parameters of code.
It's very clear.
Your stripes are skid marks if you managed to get blacklisted. With all the shady shit that is allowed I don't see why you've chosen to go out over 6th day self voting.
It's probably because you're a self-important douche but hey what would I know. I only chase down scammers and plagiarists and people who abuse Hive to rape the reward pool.
That’s a lie. You downvoted me and Ive done none of these things.
Think what you may... I don’t think this approach will get you far.
Question though... was there any spam, plagiarism, involved here? No there wasn’t!
This is like saying, that nothing should be created or curated on the 6th day... as if this is some sort of religion or something! 😂
This is the equivalent of reciting the creation story (which I don’t believe but think is interesting) but skipping over the 6th day where god created the animals... and yeah! Us humans... just thought it might make people chuckle at how ridiculous this whole idea of flagging people for voting on things they like on the 6th day.
Yeah... this isn’t good for Hive. What is good for Hive has already been programmed into the blockchains functionality.
Do we still need to continue innovating and evolving how we human? Yes. There’s still so much more that we can and should be doing. Focusing on making this place better constructively with actual code implementation is the way forward.
Not all of this...
I trust Marky’s assessment.
He has a reason to do as he does and from what I’ve seen he protects hive and gets nothing but hate for it.
So in this case... what’s Hive being protected from? I’m just curious...
You are a important voice. I wish we crossed paths sooner. Keep me posted if you hear anything. I still can’t get a hold reply just explaining things from Mark or whoever. But regardless of that let’s stay in touch. Just a feeling but I think you met do great things in the space. Man it’s just crazy how I never saw this bullying can’t even get reason side of hive. The most sad thing is how sarcastic and mean the people mark hwe on his train or trail thing. I can’t lie I’m shocked how evil they are.
Sorry for the typos bud. Just fighting off a fever and outta it. But I think it’s clear who the bad guys are here.
Anyway @wil.metcalfe I still can’t believe how angry and just evil these people are. Still myself have no clue or reason why I’m on some list. It’s kinda like these people just like mocking snd bullying. Again I ask what did I do?
But it’s been a pleasure meeting ya @wil.metcalfe👍
Absolutely my friend. I’ll see this through to the end. That’s what friends do. I’m glad to have met you as well!
Honestly! Hope you start feeling better soon!
Let me know if anything comes of this or if you just want to talk/vent even. I went through something similar to this during my once a year family vacation. It wasn’t fun to deal with these sorts of people and the level of thinking is also very disturbing...
But stay the course! Stick with me on Hive! We need things like this to bring the good people together around what’s good about our blockchain!
Im here to support you in what small ways I can until the ship rights it’s self once again... and I know it will!
There’s plenty of really wonderful people here on Hive who know exactly why they invested their time and capital into Hive.
Social Capital! 🙌
I can attest nathan's sense of humor isn't conventional but I like his way of greetings. Few friends tossing downvotes on each other can be seen as hostile now, maybe you need to rethink your form of greeting before the moral police comes after you.
they are sUpErIoR, just don't hurt them with your words or downvotes, they'll cry about it YEARS LATER!
I am and thus the comments you've downvoted were upvoted by Gene himself I believe. So you think he was off his rocker or thought I was being offensive? or you just thought I was offensive on his behalf?
I saw you downvoted @amirl for just having light conversation with me expressing his views and I think we came into mutual agreement without overstepping boundaries there. But you downvoted them because they got rewarded? or because they were interacting or agreeing with me? he was being courteous to me even if we disagreed. He didn't exercise his downvotes or impose further nor do I had any plans to impose mine. Don't be a hypocrite, you're friendliness policy is noble but it's just policing with a virtuous name.
Yeah about those method of replies I kinda expected some:
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Format the way you've been courteous about. I see some are more equal to merit your graces to use that format of reply. I do appreciate the latest reply with spaces and sentences in between though.
Do what you gotta do and hope you achieve that friendly hive ecosystem that you want to see, just know I'd still enjoy my freedom to do what I what and feel free to impose your belief systems on me as much as you want, this is everyone's freedom granted.
He's in a tough situation and grasping for any sort of support or understanding that he can.
His upvotes came from good will... But trust me. The guy is upset. He's even considering leaving Hive altogether.
He's a good guy... That's what good people do when you bump them. Only good things spill out. (unlike when you bump bad people... A whole lot of bad spills out more than often.)
His UP votes weren't because he was enjoying himself and wanted to be a punching bag. Your words directly moved against his voice and freewill. Thinking that it is ok to limit or impose yourself on someone else's freedom (it's there Hive account yes?) by dictating things outside of the functions that the code clearly grants to everyone's account isn't just words... It's unfriendly and uncalled for.
So don't think your doing anyone any favors here... because I think most people reading these comments know... this just isn't the case.
If you continue to be unfriendly in stance around people voting posts they like on the 6th day... Then I suggest to you a more constructive course of action that will be much much better going forward... (However! Take it or leave it... your free to do what you want... even if there are very real consequences in terms of Social Capital here on Hive.)
My suggestion is to write a proposal (for the other Hive owners evaluation) to change the payout or upvote day to 6 days rather than the current 7.
Downvoting someone for doing what the code allows is just that. Unfriendly.
No one new would understand this disfunction... If this idea is burning out experienced owners... Imagine what it will do to someone new.
I'm finished talking now.
This has given both of us plenty to think about hasn't it?
Let's leave it there.
Then keep telling how to conduct myself and offer the same consequence that you so abhor. You're not really straying away from the path you're trying to fight against. It's just policing to make people friendly or suffer the consequences of being downvoted that's the takeaway message here. It's either people just keep to them themselves what's really on their mind than being honest that people aren't really into the same thing anyone subscribes with.
They can comment and join in or keep stuff to themselves. None of that matters if they aren't planning to exercise their freedom to say what's on their mind.
I'm fine with the current timeline for payout timeline and ability to vote so I doubt I'd compel myself to make one.
Would that also apply to downvoting someone for sharing hate speech and all unpleasant things as the code allows it to be? I'm sure plagiarized posts, spam , and phising links get a pass because they are allowed by the code to exist and to tolerate them is unfriendly. You still haven't given me your take on this post. Were they intentionally being unfriendly or they just be exercising their freedom to be unfriendly?
Not really, if anything, you made me reaffirm my stand on the issue. Compelling people to be friendly or get downvoted is the message you're sending with the course of action you took earlier and that's no different than being a moral police. People don't have to live agreeing with each other all the time in a decentralized ecosystem.
I’m all about disagreement... it’s what give context to everything... but intellectually it should always be done with respect and yes... it is possible to disagree while still being friendly... anything else is toxic for everyone involved and clearly shows that the person doing so doesn’t understand the first thing about Social Capital.
And they deserve a downvote. Genial.
Plagiarism and spam is never good for any network. That’s what the downvote is for. Yes. But even if an account is guilty of this behaviour due process and decorum should still be our MO. If we don’t handle things in this way and professionally we only harm ourselves on Social2.0 and the wider crypto market. HOW is just as important as WHAT. And the Hive price will directly reflect how we treat our own.
So you mention that people should discuss first prior to giving downvotes on other people and yet I got post discussion after I got downvoted by you? The due process and decorum comes after the downvotes? Ok noted bruh.
That’s the thing... until it is implemented in code... this is how it works. Do I like it? Not really. It’s a blindside at best. But when behaviour is clearly unfriendly... I guess, until the process is improved, I’m ok with it. I know your mad about it... but imagine how the owner of this account (that’s posted this post) must be feeling right now... if you think about it... and use this emotion to feel for the guy... maybe you won’t downvote him next time... especially for something so absurd.
It's kind of counter to what you preach that people discuss first prior to giving downvotes and this response is rather convenient for the act? nah man, I'm saying don't tell me people should talk first before throwing downvotes when you can't do the same thing here. It's not like I'm making this up. I'm not mad, I expected flak whenever I enter into the drama this is how it usually goes. Just found it funny to be preached about due process and what not only to be treated like the same evil fought against. Makes me think it's just a bunch of lip service under virtue.
I didn't continue downvoting the guy and removed my downvote (from this account because the others are dust votes), on those posts that haven't paid out yet anyway. You assumed I wasn't being considerate? I should have just kept my silence and leave them to to do some guess work than be civil, yet here we are loving each other's company.
When I see unfriendliness(especially in the comments) it’s fair game. The sentiment is already plain for everyone to see and laid bare in the comments... there’s no need to go through the mental gymnastics of explaining when it’s there to see.
Systemically I think we need to improve. Yes. It will result in a friendlier Hive.
Just because the laser pointer marks the spot doesn’t mean that the damage hasn’t already been done by the bazooka.
Well you're kind of right about not going further as the more we continue the more I'm getting convinced about not regretting anything. Thanks for helping me reaffirm my convictions. You go do your moral moral policing and we can go on our merry ways. You're no different from the stuff you preach against. Here's an unsolicited advice, when you disagree, just go downvote the hell instantly without any explanation why or explain right after is optional.
Don't preach things like "due process and decorum" when you you're doing the same stuff you disapprove. You instantly carpet bombed my comments and the only thing that surprised me was reading due process and how downvotes are bad when I wasn't given your audience to begin with. You jumped the gun there. I don't have to explain why I upvote/support/like something and I don't have to explain why I can dislike something.
If you're going to give me sanctions for expressing what I think, that's cool, I respect that about decentralization but never go on a high horse being in the right when doing the same stuff your perceived villains would also do. Not everything I believe in can be agreed on and the same goes for everyone else here, we just find some grounds in tolerating everyone else as the closest thing we can get to peace.
You're still welcome to give me downvotes though, not like I didn't know I'd get flak if I started using the downvote button. We have already reached a conclusion here as far as I know. Good luck on your project.
Thank you for your feedback but I think I have adequately explained myself to you.
I have no reason to downvote you for sharing you opinion. This is and has never been what this was about.
Comments are important because they tell us exactly who we and the people are around us are.
I believe that what we are doing on Hive is also an opportunity where humans can socially evolve. This is an opportunity for us all to innovate how we human.
And due process is important... unless the writing is clearly on the wall (as in your case.) You knew that you were downvoting based on your opinion... so why argue back when things get reflected back your way?
I really do hope that Hive dev’s innovate a process to downvotes... until they do it’s going to be like the Wild Wild West... only it’s theWorld Wide Web / Blockchain.
Thank you for expressing yourself intelligently and also keeping things respectful even though you and I don’t seem to see eye to eye about this topic...
I’m still adamant when I say a friendly, marketable Hive is at stake.
Have a good one and I hope your day is a good one.
Ideas>Events>People. You are a scumbag, by your actions, I'd rather discuss the hypocrisy that you embody with your actions, like Downvoting without explanation.
Thank you for saying so. Yea just blindsided and no communication. It made this a much more stressful experience then if should of been working out any issue. I appreciate you taking the time to speak. Cheers
Agreeing has nothing to do with being kind, respectful, or friendly (or all of the above) and seeing as everyone does have the ability atm to downvote what they think is bad for this blockchain... whenever I come across unfriendly behaviour (which isn’t all that often actually! Most of the time I’m UPvoting for all the good reasons I find on Hive.)
I’m not attempting to police anything... I’m only directly impacting the things I can when they are in proximity to me. I guess today was your lucky day! 🙃
You can take it from me or not if you like. We are all free to do as we with here... but of course none of these things come without consequences... that’s the beauty of blockchain! 😉
Preaching the same thing I do but on a high horse.
Did you downvote Marky by any chance? I'm just curious if my luck stat was got a recent debuff or my pleb status had an impact on the roll of dice.
You're really in a bubble if this is the first time we interacted if we judge your social proximity. I'm all about mining the drama on Hive and haven't seen your name up often.
I downvoted AcidYo the other day for being an a$$ hat. I’m not afraid to follow through. So far Mark has given me no reason to take this level of action. His words are short but he did take the time to communicate back and also inquire. I have no reason to doubt that he will be back here and he will be sorting things out. But of course... we all get to watch our (and others) values play out in the form of the actions we take on the blockchain. I’m doing my best to spread what’s best about people... and you better believe it... it somethings happening that isn’t good for Hive and it’s people... I’m an action man. I take action even if someone like you doesn’t agree or like it.
I'm just wondering what's going on with this incident/account.
Seems pretty off putting if you ask me.
Even if @eneeverett were voting on the 6th day... the blockchain allows this functionality. According the the law of code, why would we rely on fallible human efforts to keep what code can easily implement operational?
It's the code that keeps our blockchain's integrity. (Or is this a sign that our code is broken?)
I'm pretty confused by all of this unfriendly behavior on our blockchain.
Isn't it the code that keeps our communities healthy, happy, viable, and marketable too?!
Then why is something like this happening all over the blockchain and everywhere I look there's fire at our doorsteps...?
I know you to be someone who cares a great deal about the Hive Blockchain. I remember (and with pride) the day you talked to Justin Sun and asked him questions that were pertinent to this blockchain's wellbeing. When Justin Sun didn't answer directly and began sidestepping your questions you said, "Ok. I think I have heard enough here." And promptly left the conversation. That's @themarkymark I remember. So what is this?
Sir... If we nuke every account's posts and comments to zero just because they do something (that the code allows) this can't be good for this blockchain and the retention of people we really need here. Don't we need to UP the game and make Hive better than the Social2.0's? And not just from a technology angle but from a social environment stand point?
If we keep doing it this way... what's going to be left for us here? (If we go about implementing and securing Hive with human endeavor like this...)
If we don't like people UPvoting right before the post pays out... Then shouldn't we implement something at the blockchain level. Code is the answer every single time...
That's why Satoshi innovated Bitcoin and started this whole crypto revolution right!? So that we could re-imagine and re-invent better way's to human and exchange value!
As things stand... I'm having serious problems even thinking about marketing Hive to my friends, family, and famous with practices going on like this...
Surely there has got to be more going on here than this?! I just can't believe we would sacrifice a friendly welcoming Hive in this way...
I sincerely hope that this is some sort of strange mistake! Although I have been seeing stuff like this all over our blockchain lately! It's certainly got me (and many others) concerned about the well-being of this blockchain!
I'm always on the front lines when it comes to marketing Hive (Top 10 on Twitter up until recently.) And when Justin Sun money attacked our blockchain I went to the bank and pulled out $5,000 bucks (that I didn't have at the time... If you know what I mean.) and powered it UP so that I could do my part and fight back against his puppet take over! It wasn't much but it was the least I could do. Throw myself into the gaps you know!?
That was an external threat to Hive and it bonded us and brought us together.
But this... It's an internal threat to Hive... and it's certainly not going to bring us together or make us better.
This method. This way. It's not good for Hive.
Can we please all just calm down, put our heads together, and implement practices that compound trust rather than pull it apart?
I know you to be someone with very clear intellect... and so I await your reply!
Thank you for your time and consideration,
By your same argument the blockchain allowed my downvotes. So nothing to worry about right?
I think we need to continue to evolve the Hive experience especially when it's not friendly. Hive will be very hard to market if we continue to implement this way.
This post (and all of his posts and comments) were downvoted simply because he UPvoted content he loves and supports and he did it on the last day of the reward cycle. Since when is that a valid reason to downvote.
This is unfriendly at it's core and if it burns out someone who has been here a long time... What will it do to someone who's brand new. Someone we did battle on the dysfunctional social2.0's to get in the door here.
My immediate thoughts... (Since we are on the subject.) Couldn't we have a flag system that cues UP and incident report in a sequential list that Hive owners can then vote on with DPOS first. If it is agreed by consensus by the community (within a certain period of time) the downvote function would then be enabled.
This would at least create fair warning and a system in place the result being... Downvoters wouldn't be the police, the judge, and the jury.
Due process makes a friendly and easier to market Hive Blockchain so yes... This is an opportunity to implement change at the code level.
I recently left a comment of appreciation on one of your posts... I did this because I respected and was glad that there are people like you thinking about HOW things are implemented here on Hive.
This is critical to all our success on this blockchain... don't you think?
You sure about that?
Yeah. Having read carefully through the comment section it would appear that your downvote has been used for this very reason.
I realize that you have it setUP to deploy this way... So I thought it would be best to let you know.
Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my query.
P.S. If I'm wrong in my assessment of the matter I'm wondering what we can do about this. @geneeverett seems quite sincere and he's been here on the blockchain quite awhile now. Long enough to have certainly done more good than harm I should hope!
Your welcome @geneeverett. Doing what little I can to help out where I can. 🙌
I’m just in shock u can’t even get a reply to figure out why this mark guy did this to me. Went to discord and I’m just not even getting a reason.
Yeah. It's all out of the blue isn't it. This sort of stuff needs to be addressed with code baked right into the blockchain... Hive is impossible to market until we innovate in this way... and if we can't bring Hive to market... that's going to directly effect the price and reputation of our blockchain on the open markets.
This sort of stuff does need to be taken seriously... If we all want to win that is!
Take heart and hang in there!
I'm sure @themarkymark will be back around to sort things out!
I can’t even find out bogus reason. This is so messed up. I have random accounts telling me I’m being discussed on discord and they wouldn’t invite me to join. Someone did then when I went nobody tells me anything. I just don’t understand what’s going on here.
And I tell you... no one new or experienced joined Hive so that they could have a Discord account. None of this makes any sense that is sure.
Best thing you can do is try to reason with the people directly here on Hive. I think you did that well in your video response.
It’s just so disappointing to see how these cases are consistently handled in less than professional and respectful ways.
We can’t innovate how we human like this... and so it’s got to change... or we had better get used to loosing!
Personally... I hate to loose! Especially at things I play professionally at.
I invested in Hive with my entire stock portfolio (at the time), I put perfectly good Bitcoin into Hive, and I also sold my fitness studio and invested that money into Hive...
I did all this and more because I believed in Hive and it’s community...
I just wish people would step into the gaps and demand that we continue to improve and innovate our way through our problems. I would have a little more hope if that were the case... and maybe I could get back to promoting Hive on Twitter, Fitbit, and YouTube!
But as things stand... it has become very hard to even think about this.
So much has got to change and improve before we can market Hive again... and mostly it boils down to a couple individuals and how they are thinking...
So I can hope right...
Well yeah... a man can hope... and continue to step into the gaps.
Everything you said above is beautifully and perfectly put. Well I am dealing with a cold or something. Feel like 💩
I’m gonna jump off for now. I just still don’t get this at all. But I mean this really that your posts here brought some hope to me. It’s just so strange all of this. Like he won’t even tell me what I’m accused off. I see other accounts were zero’d out also. Not as upset as me but doesn’t look like they got answers either. Well thank you again! I hope this gets worked out so we can go back to building the Hive that’s not this. Closed door discord’s with dozen people talking shit like it’s a communist site or something. I really am loosing faith in this project. I will try to be hopeful past reading what you wrote but it’s frankly looking like this is more centralized and anti letting the accused even know what they did
Awe... I'm a little disappointed at the tone. You were so courteous here :>
@themarkymark, Gene produced content for years and even if not, why not explain the wrong doing before nuke all rewards, even from other accounts like @artgirlnyc and not just Gene's upvote but all.
You surely have the power to remove all rewards from any person up to small whales but that doesn't look good to anyone who wants to participate on hive and we talk about rewards in a single-digit dollar range. If they're allocated wrongly, why not warn or give an explanation, if Gene honestly asked? and therewith for him the ability to still post in the future here on hive.
Unbelievable! Just ignore those dumb asses. What you earn here doesn't pay the salt in your soup anyway, so fuck downvotes or what some self appointed inquisition guys think how things should work here.
The point is, do you want to stay in touch with the people (those you like) here or not.
And get better again soon!
Good point. But as you fen imagine it’s insanity I can’t even get a reply. Anyway I’m taking the day off. You are ine of my oldest Steem days buds on here. Thank you for the support! You are money 💴 nah real money 🪙🪙🪙🪙🪙. It’s a expression here if not over ur side of Atlantic. Like yo that new suit us money yo. It’s fresh it’s legit. Anyway I could always go to steemit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not sure why but I kinda miss @rollingthunder right now. You two were my best silver stacking buddies back in 2017 or so.just can picture him saying similar to you. Much love and respect to you🤟
Hey @rollingthunder You’ve been missing a lot! Mostly good but yea man hope ur good!
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, too many have given up here. Remember the guy who is convinced that US coins will take over as money? Have not seen him for some time.
At least its not too bad if they only leave - I know one guy who actually died, a german who lived in Uruguay, @uruguru
I think from Covid, but things were kindo weird before his death.
You know what’s funny. Isn’t he huge on Steem now? Or maybe someone took the name. But I saw he had huge posts there. Here destroyed. Crazy
You mean uruguru? Yes he left here and only posted on Steemit, but then died in January or so.
That’s tragic. I’m sorry to hear this.
Man 4 years goes by fast but think of all that’s happened. But no I meant the pocket change guy. He got destroyed here and crushed but his posts are making bank on Steem. Unless it’s different guy?
Pocketchange right? I think he owes me from a bet. I bet coinage would not be revalued during Trump in office time. Think we bet 50 pennies pre 82 🤣
I think its better to bet on small change disappearing completly, if inflation keeps rising. The way it was when I was in Brasil in the 90s. They only had notes, because the coins would have had no usable value anymore. Sometimes you could find some coins on the street, nobody cared to pick them up. Everybody had big bundles of notes, with 20,000 or 50,000 or 100,000 Cruzados denomination. And they were worth like 5 US cent or 10 cent or so. So a 1 Cruzado coin was much better used with a hole in it as a washer disk. :)
I think if the US$ really crashed big style, people don't want to see the old coins - just hearing the word "dollar" will make them puke, after all the misery they have been through by then.
Sorry I read these outta order. Ignore my last reply
I am also using the Steem/Hive blockchain since 2017.
I registered on the Steem blockchain on 2017.05.17.
I received upvotes and comments from you over the years, so I can also tell that you are a good and supportive guy.
I hope that this situation will be solved soon.
I wish you all the best.
I give some !LUV and !PIZZA to support you.
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@geneeverett, you've been given LUV from @xplosive.
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Thank you for saying so!
I’ll stick around either way. Hopefully the parties doing this at least let me know there problem.
On a side note I probably should have not recorded a video with a fever looking like 💩 but at least it brought attention to this.
Cheers bud 🍻
Bullshit and something less specific but more aggravating. I read some of that exchange, and you have most certainly been wronged. A clear case of "I don't like you, so you shouldn't have money".
Wow just seeing this now. Dude any advice?
Can u tell me what’s up? It’s pretty unsettling and just weird to keep hearing a group of people discussed me like can I get read in. It’s just weird
I don’t mean you I mean the people refusing to even tell me there accusation when I ask. Well any information let me know. Cheers 🍻
Dude you weren’t kidding!
I hate that downvotes are even possible.. why give people the opportunity to act negatively.. because once you do they'll abuse the power
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I think you should appeal this decision
It’s a lone actor. Not anything official. Just a guy named Mark and his whale bot
So I just read your edit UPdate and I see that the downvote has been removed from this post... but it sounds like no one has made any explanation for a zero out downvote blitz to your entire account.
This is the sort of unfriendly stuff I have been keeping an eye on... because it absolutely destroys the credibility and marketability of our blockchain.
It looks as if it was done with some sort of human directed pin point followed by a large bot downvote. Super unfriendly... especially if your someone new to our blockchain.
I’m going to ping @Apshamilton to see if he and some of the other Witness’s can look into this.
If this is going to be a standard practice to blindside accounts... this is something we should all be taking seriously... and explanations should be in order.
From spam downvoting aka dusting to zero outs like this... it’s not just a little downvote... It boarders on phycological abuse.
How we treat our own does matter...
People outside this blockchain are watching and deciding if they want to join us... we need to give people as many reasons to join as reasons to stay.
Thank you so much @Apshamilton for taking a look at this... I know that you certainly must be as busy as all get out!
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They just did it again a few minutes ago. This is insane.
Ah man. This is terrible... at some point you have got to wonder what they are thinking and if they see the bigger picture for the social environment here on Hive.
Are you sure you are all above board? Everything’s squeaky clean right?!
Why in gods green earth would they systematically do this? None of this is making sense and I have noticed quite a lot of this lately too.
Hang in there @geneverett and hopefully we can get some answers sooner rather than later...
I’m hanging 👍 and thank you for taking an interest. I agree with you like if I didn’t have friends here from being here since 2017 I’d have no voice after this. I wonder how many have left due to this kinda stuff. Well gonna take it easy today. Let’s touch base soon friend🙏
Oh for sure. Social Capital goes a long way especially in a crisis.
So I’m sure that you’ve been racking your brains... but do you have any idea why they would downvote initially to zero out your post... and then readjust the downvote to zero it out again⁉️
This is very concerning! That’s why I’m asking about this...
They have just been doing what they do without explanation and that, in itself is unfriendly and not good for Hive in the long or short of it... so that is also why I’m asking.
If you are to fully recover through the use of social capital and the communities opinion on the matter your going to have to be untouchable. Squeaky clean! 🧼
Is there anything they might be reacting to other than voting on something you liked on the 6th day? (Which I think is perfectly fine as you are within the directive of the blockchains code.)
But yeah... if we are going to dig our way out of this downvote mess... we are going to have to form public opinion by informing them fully.
You gotta help us fully understand the situation so that we can all fully help out wherever it’s needed.
You’ve been here a long time... so I think getting to the bottom of this is one of those things that you’ll be better off doing sooner rather than later!
Right now you have social capital and people’s ears on your side... but it won’t always be that way...
Unfortunate I don’t think that this is the sort of thing that you can pretend hasn’t happened and just try to go about your regular blogging activities as you normally would.
I’m doing my best to highlight this situation where I can... but let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help with this situation. 🙂
Still doing it to me also. I tried to stay clear seeing getting upset didn’t do my buddy Gene any favors but this is really frustrating. I see they are still as of hour ago doin it to Gene also. Just sucks man. I wanted to add to the podcasting 2.0 community. This is just not worth it. I’m going to suggest to the podcasting 2.0 guys we discuss doing a fork of the chain for a podcasting 2.0 chain focused project.
See... this is exactly the outcomes that unfriendly actions on the blockchain result in... collectively we are strong. Fragmented and isolated we are weak.
I know that your feeling frustrated right now... but trust me when I say that change is coming! Hive is going to default to positive and it’s going to have to soon because this is REALLY hurting the price of our Token and our reputation in the wider crypto community.
Hive, in its current state, isn’t marketable no matter what sort of brilliant marketing minds are hard at work... so we have got to continue to trust that the community will wakeUP and realize this... and take certain actions (like @Comet.Ranker) to be a catalyst to those ends!
Always remember... positive action is 10X what any negative action can produce.
I believe that we are much much closer to change than we think we are... and so I implore you to stay with and continue to trust the Hive Community.
We have so many good people here... and I know that a collective response is in the works. I can feel it.
the self-entitled gate-keepers of hive do nothing but harm the growth of the platform.
I have the same problem with this guy sqube and gangstalking.